[转帖] 【刘瑜：有些人是没底线的】

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【刘瑜：有些人是没底线的】天鸣的围脖:

最近我在读曼德拉的传记，这本700多页的自传读下来，我不无惊奇地发现，这个反政府50年、坐牢近30年、长期倡导武装斗争的“乱匪”，在落到白人种族主义统治者手里之后，竟从没挨过打。
有一次几乎被打了。那是1963年5月，曼德拉刚进卢本岛监狱时．狱警要求这些新来的犯人跑步前进，曼德拉对一个狱友说：“这可不行，一旦开了这个言听计从的先例，以后就任人宰割了。”于是他和这个狱友走到队伍的前面，不但没有开始跑步，反而放慢了脚步。狱警勃然大怒：“听着，我们可以杀了你，你的家人不会知道这里发牛了什么！”曼德拉答道：“你们有你们的职责，我们也有我们的。”边说边慢悠悠地走到了牢房里，狱警只好灰溜溜地跟了进去。
另一次情况更奇特。那是1975年，曼德拉被关押在卢本岛的第12年。那天他因妻子温妮来访的事和监狱长普林斯发生了争执，争执中，普林斯对温妮出言不逊，把曼德拉惹火了。“我从座位上站起来，绕过桌子向他走去。普林斯向后退去，但我及时控制住了自己，没有用拳头，而只用言词教训了他。我是个反感说脏话的人，但是那天我违背了自己的准则。”注意，在这段描述中，曼德拉是那个几乎动手打人的人，而监狱长则在惊慌中“向后退去”。
这些事情说明了什么呢？说明了：第一，南非那些种族主义者是坏人，因为他们把一个反种族隔离的斗士关进了监狱；第二，他们又坏得不成气候，因为他们还有底线，这个底线就是不随便打人。当坏人在使坏但又坏得不成气候时，好人就有了机会。曼德拉就是在种族主义者的道德之下、底线之上的这块空地上施展身手，领导南非人民“站起来了”。
我为什么会对曼德拉有没有被打这个细节特别留心呢？这是因为“打人”是近来一些热点事件的关键词。比如有个叫倪玉兰的律师因为拍摄强拆现场被打成终身残疾，还有湖北穿着法袍上访的冯缤与警察发生肢体冲突，再联想到几年前魏文华因拍摄野蛮城管被当场打死、孙志刚因为没带身份证被打死，以及离奇的“看守所死亡”事件……这些事情让我意识到，有些人是没有底线的。
孔子说，君子有所为，有所不为。用现在的话来说就是：做人要有底线。底线对不同的人来说，高低当然不同。比如拿吃东西这事来说，纯素食主义者出于动物保护理念，不但不吃肉，连鸡蛋和牛奶都不吃；素食主义者次之，底线是不吃肉；对于普通大众来说，肉还是要吃的，但是如果该肉来自可爱的小猫小狗时，就会忍不住皱起眉头；对于很多人来说，吃点狗肉也没关系，但是听说有人敞开活猴子的脑袋吸脑髓或者把狗熊终身囚禁在笼子中每天活取胆汁，多半也会感慨两句“没人性”……令人困惑的是，那些对敲开活猴子的脑袋或者把狗熊变成胆汁机无动于衷的人，他们的底线在哪里呢？
同样，政治操守的底线对于不同的人高低也不同。比如，有的人底线比较高，可以为他人的痛苦——比如走失的黑窑民工或无处申冤的访民——奔走呐喊，可谓“主动行善”；有些人虽无心做个维权活动家，但至少洁身自爱、独善其身，可以说“不行善亦不作恶”；有些人则属于“被动作恶”，随波逐流，能升官升官，能发财发财，能混注水文凭混注水文凭……但即使是这种人，要让他去打残一位女士或打死一个路人，多半也会摇头……那么，那些把倪玉兰、孙志刚、魏文华打残打死的人，那些“主动作恶”的人，他们的底线在哪里呢？
我对那些没有底线的人很好奇。对于这些人，我的好奇甚至多于愤怒。比如，那些打残倪玉兰还不允许她使用拐杖的人，看着她每天在地上爬行时，他们脑子里在想什么呢？
每次我试图想象这些人的心理活动时，眼前就会出现一个巨大的黑洞。这些人小时候也爱吃冰激凌吗？他们每只脚的脚趾也是5个吗？以及，他们会不会在夜深人静时突然从脑袋里掏出一个插头来充电呢？
相比之下，曼德拉要幸运多了。不但狱警不敢动他，很多“体制内的既得利益者”简直是他的卧底。1956年，政府以叛国罪起诉他时，审了4年，最后法官竟本着司法独立的原则宣布他无罪。1964年，政府再以煽动暴力罪起诉他时，这次因为他组织武装斗争证据确凿，法官宣布其有罪，但也顶住压力未判其死刑，从而保住了“革命火种”。有一次庭审之前，公诉人突然撂挑子不干了，他跑过去跟曼德拉握手，说：“我鄙视我所做的事情，我不想把你送到监狱里去。”
“我鄙视我所做的事情”。显然，这些人在制度中随波逐流时，漂着漂着突然触到了一种叫做“底线”的东西。他们低头一瞧，这是哪儿呀？于是他们想，老子不干了。这种“老予不干了”的底线时分，很多人都遭遇过。电影《他人的生活》里，韦斯勒当了20多年特务，在被其窃听对象真挚的爱情打动之后，遭遇了这个时刻；在《生命中不能承受之轻》中，当托马斯被当局要求自我批判时，也遭遇了这个时刻。当然，我们知道，有些人一辈子也不会遭遇这个时刻，他们在作恶的道路上一往无前，春风得意马蹄疾。
有位小说写手曾悲悯地写道：“这个世界上并无一人值得鄙夷。”不那么悲悯的我却觉得，这个世界上就是有些人令人鄙夷。对这些人，这些穷尽其灵魂也听不到“咯噔”一声的人，我又好奇又鄙夷。

很多国人不仅没底线，而且对比自己弱势的同胞比对敌人还残忍

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中国在49年推翻了独裁蒋介石，那些民主人士欢欣鼓舞，但最后结果怎么样？

南非推翻了白人统治，黑人喜笑颜开，但最后结果怎么样？

三苗

说的好像南非共产党的哈尼没有被暗杀似的


说的好像沙佩维尔索韦托不存在似的。



这种断章取义的手法太低劣了。

三苗

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Africa

这里是迄今为止南非屠杀的记录。

ironland

得了得了，别假装生活在异次元似的。

南非再唧唧歪歪，至少有了一个相对和平的妥协，修改了错误。中国会有吗？

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南非并未“解决”……

ironland

老实说吧，曼德拉就算被活阉了，南非活活是个第九区，也管我鸟事。
铁蛋被连续审讯许多小时且不能上厕所，某律师出狱后近乎白痴，或者是否有人被活体器官切除，甚至是周永康5岁孙女被幼儿园开除，这和我们有几分关联。

刘瑜这篇说的是什么，不能更浅显了。

吹笛在湖北

很多国人不仅没底线，而且对比自己弱势的同胞比对敌人还残忍...

吹笛在湖北

老实说吧，曼德拉就算被活阉了，南非活活是个第九区，也管我鸟事。
铁蛋被连续审讯许多小时且不能上厕所，某律师出狱后近乎白痴，或者是否有人被活体器官切除，甚至是周永康5岁孙女被幼儿园开除，这和我们有几分关联 ...
ironland 发表于 2015-1-24 03:56

周永康5岁孙女被幼儿园开除...

——消息源在哪？这么龌蹉呀，这园长~

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某些人还是拉倒吧

1、作为一个基本常识，曼德拉和非洲民族解放运动不仅有社会主义倾向，而且得到了苏联的大力支持。

相反，南非白人种族隔离政权直接就是西方的打手。某些人就不要装了。

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2、具体到本帖，当世界其它地方的“弱势”群体起而抗争的时候

比如台湾地区，比如1980年代的英国（这些人，包括主贴的刘瑜会站在矿工那边还是撒切尔那边根本就是大家心知肚明的事情）。

这些人的嘴脸早就见识过了……


装什么装！

竹南

站在撒切尔那边有啥问题？对付流氓共产者，老痞子丘吉尔和铁娘子撒切尔不就是对症下的药么。

三苗

没错啊，不是早就说了，在某些人眼里，“弱势群体”只有表现他们居高临下的“仁慈”的作用。


所以这些人就不要装了好伐。

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http://www.globalpost.com/dispat ... dela-anc-terrorists

To Margaret Thatcher, the African National Congress under jailed leader Nelson Mandela was a “typical terrorist organization.”

When much of the world enforced sanctions on apartheid South Africa in the 1980s, Thatcher refused, instead pursuing a policy of “constructive engagement” with the country’s white minority government.

Now, after her death at age 87, the three-term British prime minister’s legacy is as polarizing in South Africa as it is in Britain, where the Manchester United soccer team decided not to hold a minute of silence before a Monday night game fearing the crowd response.

David Cameron, the current British prime minister, apologized for Thatcher’s policies on apartheid when he visited South Africa in 2006. Cameron said his Conservative party had made “mistakes” by failing to introduce sanctions against South Africa, and that Thatcher was wrong to have called the ANC “terrorists.”

Following news of her death, some South Africans on Twitter branded Thatcher an apartheid supporter, and took delight in the fact that Mandela, who is 94 and in poor health, has outlived her. Mandela was released from prison during Thatcher’s last year in office, and four years later became South Africa’s first black president.

“Mandela outlived Thatcher. 1-0 to FREEDOM! History is the ULTIMATE judge!” one tweet said.


When at a meeting of Commonwealth countries in 1987 a reporter suggested the ANC could come to power, Thatcher’s spokesperson said: “It is cloud cuckoo land for anyone to believe that could be done.”

三苗

关于撒切尔并配合主贴，又搜到了14楼的东西。

某些人的“底线”噢……

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Ruling ANC uses violence to silence opposition

Activist and filmmaker Anita Khana writes from Johannesburg as the ANC turns on its radical opponents






   





30,000 people join an EFF rally near Pretoria


30,000 people join an EFF rally near Pretoria in May last year (Pic: Charlie Kimber)


Imagine over 20 riot police storming into parliament and forcibly removing members of the opposition.

That’s what happened in the South African national assembly on Thursday of last week at the opening of parliament.

MPs from Julius Malema’s Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) were violently ejected for asking a question about corruption during president Jacob Zuma’s state of the nation speech.

Seven MPs were injured as members of the ruling African National Congress (ANC) clapped and jeered.

Zuma resumed his speech with a giggle—and avoided all the key issues. He did not mention the xenophobic attacks on black non-South Africans.

Or the appalling joblessness of our youth, the enduring low wages of black workers, or the homelessness of hundreds of thousands.

Nor did he mention the Marikana massacre, or the £14 million stolen from state funds for his private residence in Nkandla—two issues that the EFF is keen to get answers on.

The move to silence the EFF was premeditated. Zuma spent the best part of 2014 ducking parliament in order to avoid embarrassing direct questions from the EFF that have exposed the ANC’s lack of regard for democratic processes.

For the opening of parliament, Cape Town was turned into a military zone, with heavily armed police vehicles and snipers lining key roadways.

The EFF, formed in 2013, is the most significant left split from the ANC since 1994 and a product of the crisis of enduring inequality in South Africa.

Leader

The EFF’s president Malema, once leader of the ANC Youth League, was the only politician to visit Marikana immediately after the 2012 massacre and to openly support the mineworkers’ struggle for a living wage.

The party’s demand for “economic freedom in our lifetime”, and commitment to nationalisation of mines, and land redistribution without compensation has resonated with many young black South Africans.

In recent months EFF local structures have actively organised and supported land occupations and the building of shacks, which have seen violent clashes with police.

In the 2014 election the EFF won 6 percent of the national vote and 25 MPs.

Its uncompromising stance in the national parliament regarding state corruption, parliamentary rules and its insistence that MPs wear workers’ uniforms is seeing its popularity rise.

The newly formed United Front (UF), initiated by the National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa), has called for a national day of action on 21 March, against police brutality and the EFF will support it.

Both the EFF and the UF represent those who see the need for strong organisation that represents the interests of the poor and oppressed, and is independent of the ANC.

But the EFF and UF’s inability to come together at leadership level is weakening the potential for a mass fightback.

However in the townships, workplaces and informal settlements, EFF members and UF supporters often find themselves thrown together as they take on local demands.

The rapidity at which democracy is breaking down demands a speedy unity.

The 21 March day of action provides an opportunity for this unity to be visible.

In January Zuma told business leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos that South Africa is open for business—this means more attacks on the working class.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk ... +silence+opposition