[公告] 穆巴拉克已偕其家属离开开罗

如上。
如上。
李大苗 发表于 2011-2-11 20:55
去哪里??????
上天可陪玉皇大帝,下地可伴田舍乞儿
去哪里??????
夏加坤 发表于 2011-2-11 20:57
由共济会安排,到美国躲起来了。
呵呵,早四点的讲话还不肯辞职类~
由共济会安排,到美国躲起来了。
zoufeng_1234 发表于 2011-2-11 21:02
去美国躲猫猫?
上天可陪玉皇大帝,下地可伴田舍乞儿
法新社柏林电, 德国《明镜》周刊报道,由于陷入四面楚歌的埃及总统穆巴拉克可能前来德国接受“一段时间的健康检查”,目前相关准备工作正在进行中。

报道引述消息人士的话说:“目前正与适当的医疗院所进行初步洽谈,尤其是巴登-符腾堡邦布赫的马克斯-歌兰蒂诊所(Max-Grundig)。”

穆巴拉克以往至少曾有两次前来德国接受医疗。
师傅教导:刨花直窜过肩膀,方显木匠功夫深

老木匠的工坊
新华网快讯:据外电11日报道,埃及总统穆巴拉克和他的家人已经离开首都开罗。
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师傅教导:刨花直窜过肩膀,方显木匠功夫深

老木匠的工坊
中国人民的老朋友应该来天朝过春节才对


这态度还是比较好的嘛
诗酒风流近散场,心情无限对斜阳,如今只剩燕双双。
病酒願爲千日醉,看花誤惹一身香,夜來有夢怕還鄉。
穆巴拉克辞职--法新社
君子疾夫舍曰欲之而必为之辞
穆巴拉克已辞职,交权给军方。
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虽然是由苏雷曼宣布穆巴拉克辞职,值得注意的是,权力并非转交苏雷曼,而是由武装力量最高委员会管理国家。
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By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: February 11, 2011 4:11 PM
Egyptian protesters rejoice at Mubarak's ouster

Cairo's Tahrir Square has erupted in an impromptu cacophony of cheering and fireworks as Egyptians celebrate the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak after a historic 18-day wave of pro-democracy demonstrations.

Several hundred thousand protesters packed into the central square screamed for joy Friday, waving Egyptian flags, blowing car horns, jumping up and down and chanting slogans such as: "Egypt is free," "God is great," "The people have brought down the regime."

Egyptians wept and hugged each other. Others clambered on the tanks that have surrounded Tahrir Square.

After 29 years in power, Mubarak reluctantly resigned and handed over power to the military.

The terse announcement was made live on state TV by a grim Vice-President Omar Suleiman at about 6 p.m. local time Friday.

"In the name of God the merciful, the compassionate, citizens, during these very difficult circumstances Egypt is going through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic and has charged the high council of the armed forces to administer the affairs of the country," Suleiman said in a five-minute address translated into English. "May God help everybody."

The announcement came as protesters filled squares in at least three major cities Friday, and marched on presidential palaces and the state TV building, key symbols of the authoritarian regime.

It was the biggest day of protests yet in the upheaval that began Jan. 25, growing from youth activists working on the internet into a mass movement that tapped into widespread discontent with Mubarak's authoritarian lock on power, corruption, economic woes and widespread disparities between rich and poor.

The country is now ruled by the Armed Forces Supreme Council, the military's top body consisting of its highest-ranking generals and headed by Defence Minister Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tanwawi.

In a brief statement on state TV Friday evening, army spokesman Ismail Etman praised Mubarak for stepping down "in the interests of the nation" and said he "salutes the martyrs" who lost their lives in the unrest.

Ahead of Friday's announcement, Mubarak flew to his palace in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, where he often lives and works during the winter. The resort is about 400 kilometres outside of Cairo.

Mubarak, a former air force commander became president after the 1981 assassination of Anwar Sadat by Islamic radicals.

Mubarak's decades-long uninterrupted rule was achieved by rigged elections and a hated police force accused of widespread torture to ensure his control. He resisted calls for reform even as public bitterness grew over corruption, deteriorating infrastructure and rampant poverty in a country where 40 per cent live below or near the poverty line.

Country has been 'liberated'

The announcement that Mubarak would resign came a day after he sought to cling to power, handing some of his authorities to Suleiman while keeping his title, in an apparent move to appease protesters.

Nobel Peace laureate Mohammed ElBaradei, whose young supporters were among the organizers of the protest movement, told Al Jazeera, "Today, my dream has come true. Unity is crucial at this stage. Egyptian people want to look forward but not backwards," he said.

He had a message for the Egyptian people: "You have gained your liberty, you have gained your chance to catch up to the rest of the world. Make the best of it, God bless you."

Mohamed el-Katatni, a senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest opposition group, said Egyptians had achieved the main goal of their popular uprising.

"I salute the Egyptian people and the martyrs. This is the day of victory for the Egyptian people. The main goal of the revolution has been achieved," he told Reuters.

Safwan Abou Stat, a 60-year-old protester in Tahrir Square, echoed the feeling of others by saying, "Finally we are free. From now on, anyone who is going to rule will know that these people are great."

A wave of jubilation swept through the Middle East at news of Mubarak's resignation as celebratory gunfire erupted in Lebanon and car horns blared in Tunisia.

'Difficult days' ahead: Obama

Political leaders in Europe and North America reacted with relief.

"By stepping down, President Mubarak responded to the Egyptian people's hunger for change," U.S. President Barack Obama said in Washington, D.C.

Obama said there would be "difficult days" ahead, but added that he was confident Egyptians would find a peaceful way forward.

"For Egyptians have made it clear that nothing less than genuine democracy will carry the day," he said.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton praised the resilience of Egypt's protesters and said that Mubarak, by standing down, "has listened to the voices of the Egyptian people and has opened the way to faster and deeper reforms."

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Canada will be pushing for free and fair elections in Egypt and respect for the rule of law. He also urged Egypt to respect its treaties and pursue peace in the Middle East.

With files from The Associated Press
好山好水好闲情 半渔半樵半耕心
埃及胜利给我的两点启示:具有普遍共识(常识)的社会各阶层,民众面临‘让子弹飞’局面的勇气和坚韧
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Egypt military embraces change, but is it sincere?
By Mike Brunker
Projects Team editor

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While Egyptian protesters on Friday celebrated achievement of their no. 1 goal — the removal of President Hosni Mubarak — it remained unclear whether the Egyptian military’s assumption of power will mark the beginning of a transition to a more-democratic system of government or simply a shuffling of the Mubarak regime deck.

“These are stalwarts of the regime, all of whom were handpicked by Mubarak himself,” Nader Hashemi, assistant professor at the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies, said of the supreme military council now ruling the country. “They have very much been in charge by virtue of their collaboration with and loyalty to Mubarak.”

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..The Egyptian military largely retains the confidence of the Egyptian people — in stark contrast to the police and security forces — but many protesters have expressed concern about whether its senior leadership has truly embraced their call for political change.

The members of the country’s new ruling body — the Supreme Council of the Egyptian Armed Forces — are very familiar to the Egyptian public: Gen. Omar Suleiman, vice president and former intelligence chief; Defense Minister Mohammed Hussein Tantawi; Lt. Gen. Sami Anan, chief of staff of the Egyptian army; and Air Marshal Ahmed Shafiq, minister for civil aviation.

Others reported to have attended the council’s emergency meeting on Thursday include Vice Adm. Mohab Mamish, the Navy commander-in-chief; Air Marshal Reda Mahmoud Hafez Mohamed, commander of the Air Force; and Lt. Gen. Abd El Aziz Seif-Eldeen, commander of air defense.

Suleiman's status unclear
The status of Suleiman, who announced Mubarak’s resignation in a short statement on Egypt’s state-run TV on Friday, is unclear.

STRATFOR, a U.S.-based “global intelligence” firm, said in an email alert to its subscribers on Friday that “Suleiman’s statement is the clearest indication thus far that the military has carried out a coup led by … Defense Minister Tantawi. It is not clear whether Suleiman will remain as the civilian head of the army-led government.”

And U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News that they believe Suleiman, 74, will essentially fade from view.

These officials said senior Egyptian military officials turned on Mubarak Thursday night, after the president “called an audible on them” and refused to resign in a national address. Suleiman, who addressed the Egyptian people shortly after Mubarak and urged them to halt the protests, cast his fate with Mubarak and that hurt him with his military colleagues, they said.

Matthew Axelrod, former Egypt director at the Pentagon and later a Fulbright scholar, said Suleiman's fate could provide an early bellwether of the military council's willingness to embrace political reform.

"If Suleiman stays in power, it's a shuffling of the deck," he said. "If he leaves and a new figure comes into power, it could be a new stream of leadership."

'Reluctant to change'
Tantawi's prominence on the military council also could be an indicator of its direction.

U.S. officials have characterized Tantawi, 75, as someone "reluctant to change," according to a 2008 State Department cable released by the WikiLeaks website. The cable noted that Tantawi "has opposed both economic and political reform that he perceives as eroding central government power."

Whatever their roles going forward, the military council’s members presumably have big stakes in maintaining the political and economic status quo, said Hashemi, a member of msnbc.com’s panel of experts that has been answering questions on the crisis since shortly after the protests erupted on Jan. 25.

“In any authoritarian system … one way of solidifying political power and establishing loyalty is to give over parts of the economy to the military, so they have a much bigger investment in the political system as it exists,” he said. “Many in the senior military corps have made lots of money by virtue of the positions they hold. … Exactly how much money is at stake and which generals have what we don’t know because it is an authoritarian system. But we can assume they stand to lose not just politically but economically if there is a transition to democracy.”

Council promises 'legitimate' government
The military council has promised a free and fair presidential election for September, and on Friday a spokesman said in a brief statement on state-run TV that it will not act as a substitute for a "legitimate" government.

“We know the extent of the gravity and seriousness of this issue and the demands of the people to initiate radical changes," the statement said. "The higher military council is studying this issue to achieve the hopes of our great people.

"The council will issue a statement outlining the steps and procedures and directives that will be taken, confirming at the same time that there is no alternative to the legitimacy acceptable to the people."

But given the military's long hold on the country — each of its three presidents since the republic was founded in 1953 has been an army officer — many observers are skeptical that the council will freely embrace change.

Robert Danin, a former deputy assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs and now a senior Fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies with the Council on Foreign Relations, said that the coming weeks will be key in determining whether the ruling council intends to follow through on its promises or is hoping to defuse the protests and make only minor concessions.

“The military has responded to the will of the people in a way that the Mubarak government did not,” he said. “They military say they will lead the way toward democratic civilian rule — they will have to demonstrate in the days and weeks ahead that they are committed to that, and not to simply replacing one military man with another.”

But Axelrod, the former Pentagon official, said the military men may no longer have the latter option.

“The fact that the people were able to demand that the president step down is a watershed moment in Egyptian politics,” he said. “It will now be understood that popular dissent can make a market change, which it wasn’t before.”

Robert Windrem, NBC News investigative producer for special projects, and Reuters news service contributed to this report.

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New challenges for U.S.-Egyptian military ties
Both sides have much to lose if relationship sours in the post-Mubarak era

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
Along the way, top U.S. military officers built close relationships with their Egyptian counterparts. But for all those connections, the Pentagon is finding that it can exert only limited influence as it watches events play out in Cairo.

The resignation Friday night of President Hosni Mubarak left the Egyptian military in charge of the country. Vice President Omar Suleiman announced that Mubarak had decided to step down and "has mandated the Armed Forces Supreme Council to run the state."

The shift to military rule, even if temporary, makes the intimate familiarity of U.S. officers with their Egyptian counterparts such as Gen. Sami Anan, chief of staff of the armed forces, all the more important.

By coincidence, Anan was in the middle of annual bilateral talks at the Pentagon with Assistant Secretary of Defense Sandy Vershbow two weeks ago just as the Cairo protests were starting to shake the foundations of the Mubarak regime.

A spectacular symbol of the enduring U.S.-Egyptian military relationship appeared early in the crisis on Jan. 30, when U.S.-made Lockheed Martin F-16 jets (each worth about $40 million) swooped over Cairo, in an apparent show of force by the Mubarak government.

How that military-to-military relationship might change in the post-Mubarak era is one of the biggest unknowns for the Obama administration.

The day before Mubarak's resignation, U.S. foreign policy experts were emphasizing the scant ability of American officials to nudge events in the direction of a stable democratic regime
“The limits are clear,” Richard Haas, a former top State Department official under President George W. Bush and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, said on Thursday. “The U.S. military can communicate messages, as they have been doing and are doing, to their Egyptian counterparts. But at the end of the day, the Egyptian military is going to act in ways that they believe are necessary for their institutional requirements and for their national requirements.”

'Intertwined'
Steven Cook, a Council on Foreign Relations specialist on Egypt who returned from Cairo two weeks ago, said Thursday, “I would go so far as to say President Mubarak retains the loyalty of the senior command even though he is transferring power to Vice President Omar Suleiman. ... The military remains committed to defending the Egyptian state. I can’t emphasize enough how deeply intertwined they are” with the Mubarak regime.

Middle East expert Anthony Cordesman at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington cautioned in a memo Thursday that, “There is no one military, and a careful distinction needs to be made between the real military” which is under the Defense Ministry, and the security forces that are under Ministry of the Interior.

“These latter forces are the primary source of the oppression documented in the annual U.S. State Department human rights report, and of the growing authoritarianism and abuses that Egyptians are now protesting,” he said.

But some regular military officers, he said, “do have every reason to be loyal to the status quo. There are significant numbers of retired senior military officers in Mubarak's inner circle who have been given sinecures and senior posts in the civil government and state industries, and who will want to continue to benefit from the regime,” he said. But the bulk of retired senior officers “don't enjoy these privileges.”

The implication is that a division could exist in the Egyptian military, both active and retired, between those who backed Mubarak and those who supported change.

In fact, U.S. officials told NBC News that Egyptian military officials turned on President Hosni Mubarak Thursday night, when some senior military officials threatened to take off their uniforms and join the protesters.

Asked if this was a military coup, an official said, "Call it clear military pressure."

The most dramatic action Obama and Congress could take to break with the new military regime would be to cut off the $1.3 billion the United States has given Egypt annually under the Foreign Military Financing program to allow it to purchase U.S.-made jets, helicopters, missiles and other hardware.

Haas counseled against that step Thursday. “I think the administration is wise to not be talking any longer about potentially threatening aid cutoffs,” he said. “The Egyptian military is obviously the pivotal institution. Why do you want to cut off, or in any way threaten to cut off, one of your ties to that institution?”

Jason Brownlee, an Egypt expert at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Texas, points out that if the Obama administration threatened the Egyptian government —either the current one or a future one — with a cutoff of military hardware, the Egyptians could respond by saying, “You know your nuclear-powered aircraft carriers that we’ve been letting pass through the Suez Canal without any inspections? We’re going to have start inspecting those now, because we’re always worried about a nuclear accident happening in the Suez Canal.”


That could cause U.S. Navy movement from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf to grind to a halt, Brownlee said.

Any advice Defense Secretary Robert Gates or U.S. officers are giving to the Egyptians is now being given in private, said Haas, “and that’s exactly the way it should be. ... But the bigger reality is the limits of U.S. influence and the limits of U.S. knowledge.”

Haas said he worries that “the longer this drags on, the more the army ‘gets out of the barracks.’ I see two fundamental risks: the more the army becomes a political actor, it loses some of its ‘above politics’ or ‘beyond politics’ legitimacy. Secondly, it could be forced into situations where it needs to takes sides and that could ultimately mean the use of force against one (side) or another.”

On Tuesday, Gates lavished praise on Egyptian officers, saying “I think that the Egyptian military has conducted itself in an exemplary fashion during this entire episode. They have acted with great restraint. Frankly, they have done everything that we have indicated we would hope that they would do. ... They have made a contribution to the evolution of democracy and what we're seeing in Egypt.”


In the past, the U.S.-Egyptian relationship was based largely on a decades-long familiarity — American officials became accustomed to repeated dealings with one president and his military  complex.

Gates underscored the personal nature of the alliance during a 2009 visit to Cairo, saying, “I first met President Mubarak nearly 20 years ago,” — when Gates was director of Central Intelligence — “and over the years multiple American presidents and administrations have benefited from his wise counsel.

“Our own military has benefited from the interaction with the Egyptian armed forces, one of the most professional and capable in the region," he added.

That connectivity runs through the top ranks of U.S. and Egyptian military officers, who “are interwoven in their personal connections through the training that they’ve done and through their common strategic vision for the Middle East,” said Brownlee.

“It’s quite a close relationship, with influence that can go in both directions," he said. "We talk about leverage. Leverage is mutual. I think one of the reasons why the U.S. has difficulties, not just right now, but over the past decade, getting more political reform through (in Egypt) is because any discussion of political change in Egypt is circumscribed by what the Pentagon and American intelligence agencies need from the Egyptian government.”

From the point of view of top Pentagon officials, Brownlee, it’s a case of, “We know these people, we’ve had a good working relationship with them, and we’d like to continue it. To the extent, we’re nudging them at all, we’re nudging them in a way that will try to maintain the relationship, not in a way that is going to transform it.”

For a relationship that might appear right now to provide the United States with only limited influence, the American investment in Egypt has cost billions of dollars and taken many forms.

Last year, for example, the Obama administration awarded a $213 million contract to Lockheed Martin for production of 20 new F-16s for Egypt, which already owns 240 of the planes. “This is a great day for Lockheed Martin and a testament to the enduring partnership and commitment we have made to the government of Egypt,” said Lockheed Vice President John Larson.

Other recent Defense Department investments range from $210 million for refurbishment and upgrading of four U.S.-made frigates in the Egyptian Navy to $145 million for anti-ship missiles made by Boeing.

Egyptian officers train at American military staff colleges under the International Military and Education Training program, funded at about $1.4 million a year.

U.S. Marines and Navy forces conduct biannual joint training with Egyptian and other forces as part of Exercise Bright Star, established in 1981 as a result of the Camp David Peace Accords.

In 2009, U.S. Marines stormed Egyptian beaches near Alexandria during an amphibious assault demonstration as part of Bright Star. “It’s been really crucial for preparing U.S. forces for battles in a desert climate,” said Brownlee.

The investment in the Egyptian military as a bulwark of regional influence has made sense for U.S. strategic needs: preserving the Egypt-Israel peace accord and projecting U.S. military forces into the Persian Gulf to safeguard energy supplies.

“Egypt is incredibly cooperative when it comes to U.S. vehicles, personnel and materiel going through its territory and going through the Suez Canal,” Brownlee said.

From 2001 to 2005, the Egyptian government provided on average 20 overflight permissions per day to U.S. military aircraft, as well as preferential access to the Suez Canal, Brownlee said.

And even though Mubarak publicly opposed the Iraq war “he was operationally fully cooperative” in the U.S. effort to move and re-supply troops, Brownlee noted.  

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本帖最后由 三苗 于 2011-2-12 12:19 编辑

不过是美国方面发现形势不妙,苗头不对,不想让埃及成为下一个伊朗,把部分反对派的矛头穆巴拉克换掉的“损害管制”措施而已,21世纪之前的土耳其发生过N次。穆巴拉克自己,就是来自埃及军队。

为一个军政权,一场军事政变欢呼的,的确是……斗士
是为民众的力量、为那些年轻人祝福。

另外,为军队没有镇压人民欢呼,有何不可?

三苗一遇见事尾巴就都露出来了,说话口气和马朝旭差不多。
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本帖最后由 三苗 于 2011-2-12 13:57 编辑

呵呵,不知道是谁的同志,就在前几天,就在本论坛,还在深情款款地说“老穆不能走”,还在把那些年轻人和塔利班相提并论——相关帖子可是还白底黑字地摆在那里哦,现在就摇身一变了?就算是变脸,速度也忒快一些了吧?比原苏联的nomenklatura还要快,某些人真的是很有投机天分的哈。难怪可以迅速地从第三梯队变成……


另,美国MSNBC请PRC外交部人士写评论了?某些人赶快去举报这些“非美活动”哦——真的是物以类聚人以群分,连特殊的生理功能都那么接近(希望早日在机场地铁火车站看到这些人贡献他们的特殊才能哦)。莫非埃及政府,穆巴拉克政权每年13亿(一说15亿美元)的援助是从天朝拿的?埃及街头的M60A3,M1A1坦克是天朝搞的山寨版?埃及军队的高级将领也是在天朝接受的培训?这可真是惊人的大发现哦。


哦,如果,仅仅是如果,穆斯林兄弟会成了后穆巴拉克时代的主导力量,某些人将是什么反应呢?真的很想很想看到哦。
穆巴拉克辞职讲话。电视画面中他面带倦容,但语气坚定。他用威严却慈爱的口吻对反政府抗议者说:“埃及的年轻人,作为埃及的新一代,你们想让国家变得更好,希望创造未来,我为你们这种可贵的精神感到骄傲。首先,我向你们保证,那些倒下的、受伤的年轻人的鲜血不会白流。凶手定会受到严惩。”  
穆巴拉克辞职完整声明文本:http://sinaurl.cn/hqitMk


【埃及军方称不会取代合法政府】埃及总统穆巴拉克11日宣布辞职并将权力交给军方后不久,埃及武装部队最高委员会当晚发布公报,表示不会取代合法政府,并将对权力过渡作出安排。公报对穆巴拉克表示致敬,称赞他的辞职符合国家利益。声明对在持续18天的抗议活动中死于暴力事件的抗议者表示哀悼。(新华网)

@李锋摄影:执政30年的埃及总统穆巴拉克宣布退位了!我收集了纽约时报、华盛顿邮报、洛杉矶时报、泰晤士报、英国卫报的今日头版,美英帝国主义的喉舌们无一例外地选择了人民的呐喊画面作为头版照片……
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奥巴马讲话:今天我们是埃及人  
—— 奥巴马对埃及总统辞职的讲话
作者:奥巴马
   各位下午好。在我们的生活中,能够有幸目睹历史性事件发生的机会是很少的。现在就是这样一个重要的时刻。埃及人民已经发出了声音,他们的声音被听见了,埃及将从此改变。
   
    通过辞职下台,穆巴拉克总统回应了埃及人民对变革的渴望。但是,这不是埃及过渡期的结束。这只是一个开始。我相信在未来的日子里,尽管会有波折,许多问题仍有待解决,但我相信,埃及人民能够找到答案,通过和平的、建设性的、团结协作的工作,找到答案,就像最近这几个星期所展现的那样。埃及人民已经表明,只有真正的民主才能在未来立足。
   
    军方已经成为爱国与负责任的国家守护者,并将在埃及人民的注目下确保可信的权力过渡。这意味着保护埃及公民的权利,解除紧急状态法,修改宪法和其它法律,以使这种变化不可逆转,并奠定通往公平和自由的选举的明确路径。最重要的是,这个过渡必须把全体埃及人民的意愿都摆到桌上。埃及人民在和平抗议中所表现出的精神和毅力,可以成为确保这一过渡的强大力量。
   
    美国将继续是埃及的朋友和合作伙伴。我们随时准备提供必要的帮助,并要求和期待可信的向民主的过渡。我也相信,埃及的年轻人在最近几天所展示的聪明和奋斗精神,可以被用来创造新的机会-就业和商机,使他们的非凡潜力得到发挥。我知道,一个民主的埃及,不仅在本地区,而且在全世界,都可以发挥负责任的领导作用。
   
    埃及曾经在超过六千年的人类历史中发挥过关键作用。但在过去几个星期,当埃及人民要求普遍的权利时,他们推进历史的车轮向前的步伐快得令人目眩。
   
    我们看到母亲和父亲肩上背着自己的孩子,向他们展示真正的自由是什么模样。
   
    我们看到了一个年轻的埃及人说,“在我生命中第一次,我真正感到自己是有价值的。我的声音被听到了。即使只有我一个人,我的声音也会被听到,这是真正民主的工作方式。”
   
    我们看到示威者高呼“我们是和平的”,一次又一次。
   
    我们看到了一个不会向人民开枪的军方,他们发誓要保护人民。
   
    我们看到医生和护士到街上抢着照顾那些受伤的人,志愿者检查示威者,以确保他们手无寸铁。
   
    我们看到了信教的人一起诵经祈祷- “穆斯林,基督徒,我们是一体。”虽然我们知道,不同信仰之间的紧张关系仍然分隔着太多的人。没有任何事物能够立即消除这一鸿沟。但是,埃及正在发生的这些场景告诉我们,我们不应被这些分歧所定义。我们可以由我们共享的人性来定义。
   
    最重要的是,我们看到了新一代的涌现,他们运用自己的创造力、才能和技术,呼唤能代表他们的希望而不是让他们恐惧的政府,一个能回应他们的无限期望的政府。一名埃及人概括道:大多数人在过去几天里发现他们是有价值的,这种感觉不可能从他们身上抢走了,永远不会。
   
    这是人类尊严的力量,它永远无法被拒绝。有个谎言声称获得正义的最好途径是暴力。埃及人通过行动揭穿了一个谎言。他们激励着我们。在埃及,正是非暴力的道德力量,不是恐怖主义,不是盲目的杀人,而是非暴力的、道德的力量,让历史的轨迹又一次向正义靠近。
   
    虽然我们目睹的景象、听到的声音完全是埃及的,我们的脑海仍然不禁出现了历史的回声- 从德国人推倒柏林墙,到印度尼西亚学生上街游行,到甘地领导下的人民向正义的进军。
   
    马丁路德金在加纳庆祝一个新国家的诞生并同时努力完善自己时说,“灵魂中有哭喊自由的东西。”这些哭喊也来自塔利尔(解放)广场,全世界都听到了这一哭喊。
   
    今天属于埃及人民。我们作为人类,希望我们的孩子都在一个自由的世界里长大,因此,美国人民被开罗和全埃及所发生的事件所感动。
   
    塔利尔这个词意为解放。它表达了我们呼喊自由的灵魂。它会让我们永远记住埃及人民,记住他们今天的所作所为是怎样不仅改变了自己的国家,同时也改变了世界。
   
    谢谢。
穆巴拉克辞职讲话。电视画面中他面带倦容,但语气坚定。他用威严却慈爱的口吻对反政府抗议者说:“埃及的年轻人,作为埃及的新一代,你们想让国家变得更好,希望创造未来,我为你们这种可贵的精神感到骄傲。首先,我向你们保证,那些倒下的、受伤的年轻人的鲜血不会白流。凶手定会受到严惩。
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胸襟和风度都值得称赞.

向埃及人民,穆巴拉克总统和埃及军方致敬.你们创造了历史,为世界上很多类似的国家树立了一个好榜样.  
好山好水好闲情 半渔半樵半耕心
Ellis Goldberg:Mubarakism Without Mubarak,Why Egypt’s Military Will Not Embrace Democracy


Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak gave into the demands of the protesters today, leaving Cairo and stepping down from power. That came hours after a speech, broadcast live across the world yesterday, in which he refused to do so. Earlier that day, the Supreme Military Council released a statement -- labeled its "first" communiqué -- that stated that the military would ensure a peaceful transition of Mubarak out of office. In practice, it appears that power has passed into the hands of the armed forces. This act was the latest in the military's creep from applauded bystander to steering force in this month's protests in Egypt. Since the protest movement first took shape on January 25, the military has, with infinite patience, extended and deepened its physical control of the area around Tahrir Square (the focal point of the protests) with concrete barriers, large steel plates, and rolls of razor wire. In itself, the military's growing footprint was the next act in a slow-motion coup -- a return of the army from indirect to direct control -- the groundwork for which was laid in 1952.

The West may be worried that the crisis will bring democracy too quickly to Egypt and empower the Muslim Brotherhood. But the real concern is that the regime will only shed its corrupt civilians, leaving its military component as the only player left standing. Indeed, when General Omar Suleiman, the recently appointed vice president to whom Mubarak entrusted presidential powers last night, threatened on February 9 that the Egyptian people must choose between either the current regime or a military coup, he only increased the sense that the country was being held hostage.


The Egyptian political system under Mubarak is the direct descendant of the republic established in the wake of the 1952 military coup that brought Gamal Abdel Nasser and the Free Officers to power. Nasser and the officers abolished Egypt's limited parliamentary monarchy and ousted an entire generation of civilian political and judicial figures from public life. They created their own republic stocked with loyal military figures. Their one experiment with technocratic governance, allowing Egyptian legal experts to write a new basic document, was a failure. The experts' draft had provisions for a strong parliament and limited presidency, which the officers deemed too liberal. They literally threw it into the wastebasket and started over, writing a constitution that placed immense power in the hands of the president.

Such an arrangement would prove to work out well for the military, as every Egyptian president since 1953 has been an army officer. For two generations, the military was able, through the president, to funnel most of the country's resources toward national security, arming for a series of ultimately disastrous wars with Israel. These defeats, combined with the government's neglect of the economy, nearly drove the country to bankruptcy. Popular revolt erupted between 1975 and 1977 over the government's economic policies. To regain control, the military turned its attention away from war and toward development. It gradually withdrew from direct control over politics, ceding power to domestic security forces and the other powerful backer of Egypt's ruling party -- small groups of civilian businessmen who benefited from their privileged access to government sales and purchases to expand their own fortunes.


In the 1990s, Mubarak waged a domestic war against Islamists, and the role of the military evolved further. As the government became dependent on an expanded domestic police force, the army was reduced in size and importance. Over time, the police and the Ministry of the Interior supplanted the armed forces and Ministry of Defense as the keystone of the regime. Meanwhile, the factions of the business elite that fed on the state, such as the now disgraced steel magnate and former ruling party leader Ahmed Ezz, grew more powerful. Mubarak gave them privileged access to the ruling National Democratic Party, which they convinced to open the Egyptian economy to world trade -- enriching them even further.


The officer corps was appeased to some degree, however, by its own economic good fortune. Throughout the 1990s, the army expanded its involvement in the economy. By this decade, industries owned by the military were estimated to control 5 to 20 percent of the entire Egyptian economy; likewise, army officers receive a variety of benefits, such as special preference in access to goods and services.

Today, the army presents itself as a force of order and a neutral arbiter between contending opponents, but it has significant interests of its own to defend, and it is not, in fact, neutral. The basic structure of the Egyptian state as it now exists has benefited the military. The practical demands of the protesters seem fairly simple: end the state of emergency, hold new elections, and grant the freedom to form parties without state interference. But these demands would amount to opening up the political space to everyone across Egypt's social and political structure. That would involve constitutional and statutory changes, such as reforming Egypt as a parliamentary rather than a presidential system, in which a freely elected majority selects the prime minister (who is now appointed by the president). These changes would wipe away the power structure the army created in 1952 and has backed since.


A freely elected parliament and a reconstituted government would weaken the role of the presidency, a position the military is likely to try to keep in its portfolio. Moreover, open elections could hand the new business elites power in parliament, where they could work to limit the role of the army in the economy. This would put the army's vast economic holdings -- from the ubiquitous propane cylinders that provide all Egyptian homes with cooking gas to clothing, food, and hotels -- in jeopardy. Moreover, the army has always preferred that the country be orderly and hierarchical. It is uncomfortable with the growing participatory festival on the streets, and even if the officers were to tolerate more contestation than their grandfathers did in the 1950s, they would likely try to limit participation in politics to those whose lives have been spent in the military by retaining the system of presidential appointment for government ministers.

Indeed, instead of pursuing institutional change, leading military figures will likely try to satisfy the public with symbolic gestures. They would surely investigate the most corrupt businessmen and their ministerial associates for the misuse of public funds and public property. At the same time, there will likely be an investigation of the former minister of interior for deliberately murdering demonstrators during the crisis.


If the military takes further control, two of the players currently on the scene will be crucial. First, Suleiman, who has strong ties to the military, is at the center of every negotiation among the opposition factions and is almost constantly on television. Unsurprisingly, he has made it clear that he has no intention of reforming the presidential system. Playing for time, he has consistently insisted that even negotiations should be strictly limited to changing the three articles of the constitution that deal with elections.

Second, although Egypt's defense minister, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, has been much less visible, he is no less important. He is behind the army's announcement that it would not, unlike the hated security police, fire on Egyptians. In fact, the army fired on neither the demonstrators nor on the thugs who attacked them, and even went so far as to announce that the protesters had legitimate demands. I have heard accounts of the army arresting some protesters and members of human rights groups. Some of those who have been arrested and released report that a faction of army officers remain sympathetic to Mubarak's appeals that he has a mission to carry out. Still, under Tantawi, the army will likely try to at least appear neutral while negotiating with the rest of the opposition to manage a transition, even as Suleiman works to ensure that reform is limited.

The Mubarak regime as it has existed for the last decade -- an increasingly corrupt and incompetent government that has conferred immense economic advantages on a handful of politically connected businessmen -- has been shattered. A more open political system and a responsive government that ensures its own safety by trimming back the power and privileges of the military could still emerge. And the army may step in as a transitional power and recognize that, as much as it might like to, it cannot return to complete control. The Egyptian military is far more professional and educated than it was in the 1950s, so many officers may recognize the benefits of a democracy. More likely, however, is the culmination of the slow-motion coup and the return of the somewhat austere military authoritarianism of decades past.


http://www.foreignaffairs.com/ar ... sm-without-mubarak?
ROBERT H. REID   Associated Press
Egypt and Iran: People's revolutions play out differently

CAIRO — No sooner had the announcement come than the streets of Cairo exploded in joyful celebration. The hated autocrat was gone. A new era was ushered in with cheers, tears and the cacophony of car horns.

And so it was in Tehran — 32 years before to the day.

On Feb. 11, 1979, the commander of the Iranian air force announced on national radio that the armed forces were withdrawing from the fight to save the American-backed regime of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who had already fled the country three weeks before in the face of burgeoning street protests against his autocratic rule.

With the military gone, the Iranian monarchy collapsed and with it any chance that the shah would return from what had been spun as a vacation — ironically to Anwar Sadat's Egypt.

As the troops returned to barracks, Tehran erupted into wild celebrations — punctuated by the deafening din of thousands of horns.

The popular revolt against the shah raised alarm bells in the West, which saw the prickly monarch as a trusted ally and counterweight to hard-line Arab regimes and Palestinian radicals. The face of the revolution was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, whose demeanor, vehemently anti-American rhetoric and stern interpretation of Islam challenged not only Western interests but also Western values.

Egypt's revolutionaries of today appear far less threatening, representing a broad spectrum of Internet-savvy youth, mainstream politicians and Islamists bound together by hatred of President Hosni Mubarak and a desire for a more open, democratic system. The closest thing to a symbol of Egypt's uprising was a 30-year-old Google executive, whose passionate, tearful remarks made on a private television station after his release from detention drove many modern-thinking, middle-class Egyptians into the streets.


Nevertheless, the images from Tehran a generation ago and from Cairo on Friday's "Night of Liberation" were uncannily familiar. The palpable sense of relief. The euphoria among the government's opponents. The carnival-like atmosphere. The explosion of national pride. And the blind faith that the new regime would be more just, more equitable and more democratic than the old.

Iran's masses were no less hungry for democracy than the Egyptians who crowded into Cairo's central Tahrir Square to demand an end to Mubarak's rule. Where the Iranians put their trust in Muslim clerics to bring about a just and equitable society, the Egyptians turned to the secular-minded army to give the Mubarak regime a final push.


Egypt's young revolutionaries used the tools of the 21st century — the Internet, Facebook and Twitter — to organize the first protests in late January. After the government unplugged the Internet and shut down mobile phones, Egyptians turned to Arabic language television stations — Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiya and Alhurra — for word of what was happening on the streets.

No such technological wonders were available to the Iranian opposition. Messages and sermons from Ayatollah Khomeini, who was in exile in Paris until the final days of the uprising, were spread by cassette tapes that were smuggled into the country, copied and distributed to mosques throughout the country.

From the mosques, information spread by word of mouth through a nationwide network of clerics and intellectuals who grew ever bolder as the shah's security services began to disintegrate.

Instead of turning to the likes of Al-Jazeera for news, Iranians relied on crackling shortwave broadcasts by the British Broadcasting Corp.'s Persian language service, which the shah's government tried repeatedly to jam. At one time or another, nearly every Western journalist in Iran pretended to be from the BBC when confronted by protesters who were sometimes hostile to Americans. Every Khomeini supporter seemed to know how to say in English: "Ah, you BBC? BBC very good."

Tehran University was transformed into a giant speaker's corner, where people could come every day to listen to anti-regime clerics rail against the shah and his American backers.
It took Egypt's demonstrators only 18 days to force out Mubarak, who had ruled the country for nearly three decades. Although arson and looting broke out briefly in late January — presumably instigated by state security to frighten the public and discredit the protests — the anti-Mubarak movement was remarkably peaceful and disciplined. Most of the violence appeared instigated by the police and thugs believed paid by the ruling party, who ran wild for a few days until the army reined them in.

Banks closed and ATMs ran out of cash. Groceries began running short on supplies. By and large, however, life in much of the capital continued as it had before — even as crowds in Tahrir Square grew ever larger.

Not so the Iranian uprising. It began in January 1978 with street demonstrations against the shah. By the end of the year, the country was paralyzed by strikes and demonstrations. Government ministries all but ceased functioning. Airlines stopped flying to Tehran. With a daily 9 p.m. curfew, which was brutally enforced in the capital, Iranians huddled in their dark, unheated homes, listening to the periodic bursts of gunfire that punctuated the night.

Protesters grew ever more violent. The shah's Imperial Guard did not hesitate to fire on unarmed demonstrators, some of whom were willing — sometimes even eager — for martyrdom. Comrades would cheer and shout "martyr" as their fellow protesters fell to gunfire.

Violence was not limited to government forces. Young demonstrators hurled firebombs — gasoline poured into soft drink bottles and lit with a rag — at the Guardsmen. A police colonel was dragged from his car and beaten into a fatal coma as protesters ripped off parts of his uniform and threw them into the trees.
Food supplies, electricity and cooking gas were scarce.

As chaos engulfed Tehran, the shah left on Jan. 16, 1979, leaving the government in the hands of his appointed prime minister. Khomeini returned two weeks later to a massive reception by millions of people.

Less than two weeks after Khomeini returned, air force technicians at a base in Tehran mutinied, setting off a day and night of street fighting. A monarchial system that had lasted for more than 2,000 years crumbled.

Egypt's revolt achieved its main goal — Mubarak's ouster — before the conflict had torn apart the fabric of Egyptian society.

After Mubarak resigned Friday, Egyptians partied in the streets, waved huge flags, set off fireworks and sang patriotic songs until dawn.

Three decades before, the collapse of the shah's regime triggered three terrifying days of looting, arson and street fighting. Pro-Khomeini groups stormed prisons and police stations, looting weapons and hunting down Imperial Guardsmen and other members of the old regime. The yearlong revolution had polarized society and built up tensions that exploded as the Khomeini loyalists struggled to restore order.

A fanatical mullah broadcast a call on state radio to hunt down and punish foreigners, prompting Khomeini's staff to issue a counter order to protect non-Iranians. Rival militias seized the Intercontinental Hotel, home to most foreign journalists, until Khomeini loyalists arrived and ran them off.

The shah's regime resisted the demands of the street and collapsed, setting in motion social and political forces that still trouble the country and the region a generation later. Mubarak stepped down, and the world now waits to see if the fallout will be different.

___

Robert H. Reid, Middle East Regional Editor for The Associated Press, has covered the region since 1978.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4155 ... ews-mideastn_africa
新自由主义经济政策在埃及并不能造就民主体制
本帖最后由 三苗 于 2011-2-13 09:27 编辑

25# feilian

中东地区的这些亲美政权恐怕想都不敢想火上添油的新自由主义吧,在目前的形势下,我认为他们更倾向于“合作主义(Corporatism)”,通俗地说就是发钱保平安。当然也是和伊斯兰原教旨主义力量争夺群众。
Jubilation in Gaza as Hamas hails Mubarak ouster


by Mai Yaghi Mai Yaghi – Fri Feb 11, 3:03 pm ET
GAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories (AFP) – Hamas on Friday hailed the fall of Egypt's president Hosni Mubarak as "the start of the victory of the Egyptian revolution" as jubilation erupted across Gaza.

"We consider the resignation of president Mubarak to be the start of the victory of the Egyptian revolution which we support with all its demands," said the Palestinian Islamist movement's spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri.

The toppling of Egypt's strongman represented "the victory of the will of the Egyptian people and their sacrifices," he told AFP, calling on the Egyptian army to support "the demands of the people and not let them be led astray."

As the news rippled across the densely-populated coastal enclave ruled by Hamas, thousands of people rushed into the streets to celebrate, with cars honking their horns and celebratory busts of gunfire punctuating the night.

In Gaza City, gunmen from Hamas's armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, began gathering in the centre for a celebration rally.

Similar gatherings were reported across the Gaza Strip as people responded to calls over loudspeakers to come and "join the celebrations with the Egyptian people."

"Egypt has written a new page in the nation's history," Gaza's Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya said, adding that the blockade of Gaza had "begun to weaken" with the collapse of Mubarak's regime.

Abu Zuhri urged Egypt's new leaders to lift its blockade, a measure in force since 2007 after Hamas violently seized power in the enclave, ousting the secular Fatah movement of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.

Israel has enforced a blockade of Gaza from the land, air and sea since 2006 after Palestinian militants snatched an Israeli soldier on its border with the strip who is still being held captive.

Abu Zuhri urged Cairo to "immediately" open the Rafah terminal between Gaza and Egypt which has been closed since the end of January, leaving thousands of Palestinians trapped in Gaza, and keeping hundreds more from returning home.

The militant Islamic Jihad movement also "paid tribute to the Egyptian people and their revolution," saying what they had achieved was "the dream of all Arabs and Muslims."

Earlier on Friday, online calls for a demonstration across Gaza for "change" appeared to have had little effect. Hamas security forces quickly dispersed those who did turn up in the southern town of Khan Yunis.

The protest was called by an Arabic-language Facebook group which said its aim was to encourage unity among the bitterly-divided Palestinian ranks.

The fall of Mubarak drew no immediate comment from the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority (PA), which has largely kept silence since the Egyptian uprising erupted on January 25.

But hundreds of Palestinians of all ages in the PA's political capital of Ramallah and other West Bank communities took to the streets to celebrate, waving Egyptian and Palestinian flags.

Last month after the anti-regime protests broke out, Abbas called Mubarak, whose regime tried but failed to mediate a Fatah-Hamas reconciliation but was seen as pro-Abbas by the Islamists, to express his "solidarity with Egypt."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2011 ... rakpalestiniansgaza
Israel watches Egypt uprising with fear
JERUSALEM — Israel watched fearfully Saturday as anti-government unrest roiled Egypt, one of its most important allies and a bridge to the wider Arab world.

The Israeli prime minister ordered government spokesmen to keep silent. Officials speaking anonymously nonethless expressed concern violence could threaten ties with Egypt and spread to the Palestinian Authority.

The Egyptian unrest dominated Israeli media. Israeli TV news channels provided hourly updates. Israel Radio reported extensively on developments and dubbed its broadcasts "Fire on the Nile."

Writing in the Haaretz daily, columnist Aluf Benn speculated that President Hosni Mubarak's "fading power" leaves Israel with few friends in the Middle East.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday called Mubarak, according to the Palestinian news agency Wafa. Abbas told the Egyptian leader that he is eager to see Egypt stable and secure, the agency said.

If Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood -- the main opposition group -- gains power in the turmoil, the balance of power between the rival Palestinian camps could change. Abbas is backed by the West, while his Islamic militant Hamas rivals draw their support from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Hamas is the Gaza branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Two Israeli officials said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered all government spokesmen not to comment on the mass riots in Egypt, where protesters are demanding Mubarak resign after nearly 30 years in power. Both officials were speaking on condition of anonymity.

The spokesmen have likely been silenced out of fears that any perceived Israeli involvement could further compromise an ally whose ouster would pose a serious threat to Israel.

The officials said they expect Mubarak to survive the unrest but that it could damage ties with Israel if the country's popular opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, makes gains.

Egypt was the first Arab country to reach peace with Israel three decades ago. Ties have never been warm, but Egypt has played a critical role as Mideast peace mediator between Israel and Palestinians.

"A stable Egypt with a peace treaty with Israel means a quiet border," one told The Associated Press. "If there is a regime change Israel will have to reassess its strategy to protect its border from one of the most modern militaries in the region."

The Israeli security officials also said they were worried that violence might spread to Gaza, the West Bank, and possibly to its other ally in the Arab world, Jordan.

Eli Shaked, a former Israeli Ambassador to Egypt, speculated in an interview with Channel 10 TV that if Mubarak's reign is destabilized, radical Egyptian Islamists could fill the void.

"It's good that Israel is keeping quiet, but there is no doubt that what is happening in Egypt is not good for Israeli interests," Shaked said. "It will only be a matter of time before a leader of the revolution arises and he will come from the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Opticon180 at 12:32 AM February 01, 2011
One Muslim Brotherhood leader called today for WAR WITH ISRAEL:



http://www.forexcrunch.com/musli ... ts-war-with-israel/



"Mohamed Ghanem, one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, calls Egypt to stop pumping gas to Israel and prepare the Egyptian army for a war with it’s eastern neighbor.



Speaking with Iranian television station Al-Alam, Mohamed Ghanem blamed Israel for supporting Hosni Mubarak’s regime. Ghanem also said that the Egyptian police and army won’t be able to stop the Muslim Brotherhood movement."



Meanwhile, Islamic terrorist group Hamas (designated as such by Clinton administration in 1997) has taken advantage of the Egyptian turmoil to start new barrages of rockets into Israel:



"Update: Israel was attacked by Grad rockets fired from the Gaza. While Israel approved that 800 Egyptian soldiers reinforce the limited forces in Sinai, the Islamic movement Hamas, which has ties with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, fired at Israel."
Alois St.martin at 12:24 PM January 31, 2011
A flock of dreams
browse on Necropolis
Opticon180 at 2:30 AM January 31, 2011
@Syed Khundmir



If "Sharia is not one-sided" how do you explain the documented fact that SO MANY MUSLIMS believe this sort of mass insanity?



http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/ ... amas-and-hezbollah/



% of Muslims who want DEATH PENALTY for those leaving Islam:



Egypt (84%)



Pakistan (76%)



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% of Muslims endorsing STONING TO DEATH of adulterers (98% WOMEN):



Egypt (82%)



Pakistan (82%)



When a LARGE majority of ANY country believes in a Draconian, barbaric "legal" system like Sharia Law the RIGHTS of MINORITIES like gays, feminists & FORMER ("apostate") Muslims are CRUSHED like a bug.



Those doubting the accuracy of the PRC polling should check their well-documented research methods:



http://pewresearch.org/about/ethics/



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Why Israel Hates the Egyptian Uprising
The view from Tel Aviv.
By Shmuel Rosner
Posted Thursday, Feb. 3, 2011, at 2:09 PM ET
Read more of Slate's coverage of the Egyptian protests


Israel can be a spoiled brat. Constantly craving attention and assurances of undying friendship and commitment, self-centered and blind to the needs of others. Israel, unlike America, isn't a superpower. It isn't an empire. It doesn't have much of a role in world affairs other than taking care of its own little self. So, when Israel looks at the revolutionary forces in Egypt, it doesn't see "change," or "hope," or "democracy," or the "end of oppression." It doesn't see Egyptians rejoicing in anticipation of their new beginning. All Israel sees is trouble.

You can ponder the philosophical virtues of "democratization" versus those of "stability." Or you can quit being a wise-ass and learn from experience: In the last 40 years of Middle East political turmoil, all the significant changes related to Israel were for the worse—all except one: peace with Egypt. That's Mubarak's Egypt. (Yes, technically, his predecessor Anwar Sadat signed the peace accords, but it's the same old autocratic regime.) That same Egypt is now in danger of being toppled with the prodding and blessing of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


Consider all the other presumably positive events besides peace with Egypt. Peace between Israel and Jordan? That was good but not nearly as important. Jordan was never a major threat to Israel; Egypt was. The Oslo Accords with Yasser Arafat's Palestinians? We know how that ended. Lebanon's Cedar revolution? Ditto. The removal of Saddam Hussein? The jury is still out on that one, but in the meantime, Iran is getting stronger. The Palestinian changing of the guard and elections? That ended badly, with Hamas taking over Gaza. And these are just the changes that were initially thought to be good for Israel, not those we all knew in advance would be for the worse.


So, Israelis were stunned to wake up and discover that their American friend had abandoned Mubarak in favor of change. "The Americans brought disaster to the Middle East by calling for [Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak to leave his country," said Knesset Member Binyamin Ben Eliezer, a former defense minister and one of Israel's most establishment-minded politicians. And he wasn't alone: Official Israel was uncharacteristically subdued in its public statements, but behind closed doors there was no shortage of criticism. Right and left, coalition and opposition, all but a very few thought poorly of U.S. policy. Everyone felt that the Obama administration had once again been "naive," or "hasty," that it didn't understand the region and didn't understand the Arab mentality. Israelis were stunned—and somewhat frightened. After all, if Washington has dumped Mubarak, maybe peaceful Egypt is gone for good. And if the United States could desert such a valued strategic ally, maybe we're next in line for the boot?

Of course, such fears are nonsense. Israel isn't Egypt, and its ties with the United States run much stronger and deeper. It will not be abandoned with such haste, and anyway, why would anyone want to abandon Israel? Still, there's something to these fears, because the Egyptian unrest emphasizes the extent to which American and Israeli interests in the Middle East can be different. The United States, for all its many faults, is a dreamer; and Israel is a cynical pragmatist. America wants to advance liberal values; Israel just wants peace and quiet. America, at least sometimes, thinks about the poor Arabs living under despotic regimes; Israel only thinks about its own people. And that doesn't mean that Israel is immoral or wicked. Being small, being vulnerable, being insecure, having to live with the consequences, Israel must prioritize security and stability over vague dreams of a better future—especially when, as I mentioned earlier, our previous experience is hardly encouraging.

Mubarak was good for Israel. Not great, mind you. The peace with Egypt was a cold one, and ties between people were rare and strained in many ways. But Israel—with its pragmatic way of prioritizing interests—got a good deal from the Egyptians. The southern border, which was Israel's main concern in its first 30 years, was quiet and didn't require much attention. Egyptians agreed to sell gas to Israel and to tighten security in Gaza. They opposed the advancement of Iran and its allies, and they prevented terrorists from infiltrating from the Sinai Peninsula. So, chaos or worse—for example, regime change that strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood or other radical forces—will be a headache for Israel.

And for what? So that Egyptians can have their "democracy"?

The Egyptian unrest provides a great opportunity to refute once and for all the ridiculous but still strangely common belief that Israelis or, even more commonly, "Likudniks" are the oriental equivalent of American neocons. Just Google Likudnik and neocon together, and you'll see it all: the "neocon-Likudnik nexus," and "Joe Lieberman the Likudnik," and "Likudnik neocons at the Pentagon," and "neocon Likudniks who don't care about American casualties." On and on it goes, from people who either don't understand neoconservatism, don't understand Israel, or, in most cases, don't understand either.

In recent days there's even been some talk of a neocon "split" with Israel, or vice versa. "The neoconservatives, who have made democracy promotion in the Middle East an overarching goal, are scratching their heads at what they see as Israeli shortsightedness," wrote Jeffrey Goldberg. If that's true, I'm not sure why they're so confused—the Israeli position is completely predictable.

Those head-scratching neocons should know—as I'm sure most of them do—that there's no such thing as an Israeli neocon. The Israeli establishment never believed in promoting democracy in the Arab world, and it still doesn't. It never much cared about Arab democracy, period. In Israel—if you feel an urgent need to make such comparisons—the establishment tends to reflect American pragmatic (some would say cynical) "realism." America's "freedom agenda" was anathema to Israelis, even when President George W. Bush—whom they respected and liked much more than they like President Obama—was in power. It was anathema to them not because Arab democracy isn't a tempting notion, and not because they want Arabs to live forever under Mubaraks and Assads and Husseins. They just think it's a pipedream, a wonderful idea that the people of Tel Aviv might pay a high price for.


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Israel watches Egypt uprising with fear
By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press

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(01-29) 13:12 PST JERUSALEM, Israel (AP) --

Behind an official wall of silence, Israel watched nervously Saturday as anti-government unrest worsened in Egypt, fearful that the violent and growing street protests could topple Israel's most important ally in the Arab world.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered his government to remain silent about the situation in Egypt. But in a clear reflection of Israel's concerns, Sun D'Or, a subsidiary of Israel's national airline, El Al, whisked dozens of Israelis, including diplomats' families, out of Egypt on an emergency flight. The government also urged Israelis to avoid travel to Egypt.

The stability of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's regime is a key interest for Israel.

Egypt was the first Arab country to make peace with Israel, and since succeeding the assassinated Anwar Sadat in the wake of that historic peace treaty three decades ago, Mubarak has steadfastly honored the deal.

While relations have often been cool, Mubarak has remained a key bridge to the Arab world, frequently mediating between Israel and the Palestinians. Mubarak also has cooperated with Israel in containing the militant Hamas group, which rules the Gaza Strip, a volatile coastal strip that borders both Israel and Egypt.

Israeli officials, ordered to speak on condition of anonymity, expressed grave concerns about Mubarak's tenuous grip on power. Some said they feared the violence could spread to neighboring Jordan, the only other Arab country with a peace deal with Israel, or to the Palestinian territories.

There were also concerns that anti-Israel opposition groups, including the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood, might gain a larger voice in Egyptian decision-making.

"A stable Egypt with a peace treaty with Israel means a quiet border," one Israeli official told The Associated Press. "If there is a regime change Israel will have to reassess its strategy to protect its border from one of the most modern militaries in the region."

Early Saturday evening, the Sun D'Or International Airlines plane touched down in Israel with about 40 Israelis who were in Egypt on private business plus an undisclosed number of diplomats' spouses and children on board, officials said. The Israeli Foreign Ministry said its diplomats would remain in Egypt for the time being.

The Egyptian unrest dominated Israeli media. Israeli TV news channels provided nonstop updates throughout the day. State-funded Israel Radio reported extensively on developments and dubbed its broadcasts "Fire on the Nile."

Writing in the Haaretz daily Saturday, columnist Aluf Benn speculated that Mubarak's "fading power" leaves Israel with few friends in the Middle East.

Mubarak has faced days of massive anti-government protests, with tens of thousands of people filling the streets of Cairo and other major cities demanding his resignation after nearly 30 years in power. The protesters have said they are fed up with the massive unemployment, lack of opportunities and corruption that plague the country.

On Saturday, Mubarak named Omar Suleiman, his powerful intelligence chief, as vice president, the first time someone has held that position since he became president in 1981. It was unclear whether the move, which followed promises of reform and a new government, would be enough to calm the unrest.

There was no immediate reaction from Israel, but the appointment was likely to calm nerves in Israel, where Suleiman is a frequent visitor and has good working relations with his Israeli counterparts.

Israeli officials said it was unclear if Mubarak would survive the protests, and they fear that ties could be damaged if Egypt's popular opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, makes gains.

Israeli lawmaker Benyamin Ben-Eliezer, who has maintained a friendship with Mubarak, broke ranks with other Israeli officials who remained silent about events in Egypt.

He told Israeli Channel 10 TV that he had spoken with Mubarak in the past few days, and that the Egyptian leader sounded optimistic, saying he had known that riots would break out and that he had prepared for it.

Still, Ben-Eliezer said he was concerned about Egypt's future. "This could lead to a completely different regime, one that is a lot more radical Islamic."

Eli Shaked, a former Israeli Ambassador to Egypt, offered similar speculation on Channel 10. "It's good that Israel is keeping quiet, but there is no doubt that what is happening in Egypt is not good for Israeli interests," Shaked said. "It will only be a matter of time before a leader of the revolution arises and he will come from the Muslim Brotherhood.

A stronger Muslim Brotherhood could also affect the balance of power between the rival Palestinian camps, the government of President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank and the rival Hamas regime in Gaza.

Abbas is backed by the West, while his Islamic militant rivals draw their support from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Hamas is the Gaza branch of the Muslim brotherhood and could gain strength if their Egyptian brethren rise to power.

Abbas on Saturday called Mubarak, according to the Palestinian news agency Wafa. Abbas told the Egyptian leader that he is eager to see Egypt stable and secure, the agency said.

There was no immediate comment from Hamas.

In Gaza, Palestinian residents rushed to buy extra gasoline, concerned that fuel supplies would run out. In the past few years, the majority of Gaza's fuel has come from Egypt through underground smuggling tunnels on the Gaza-Egypt border.

Palestinian smugglers who work in the tunnels said Saturday that there were fewer fuel supplies available from Egypt, but that they were continuing to smuggle Egyptian fuel into Gaza. The Hamas-run National Economic Ministry, which oversees fuel supplies, said there were currently no fuel shortages in Gaza.

Hamas Interior Ministry spokesman Ihab Ghussein said there were no infiltrations on the Gaza-Egypt border.

"The southern border with the Gaza Strip is quiet. There is no security breach on that border," Ghussein said.

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Ibrahim Barzak in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, contributed to this report.

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